Posts by Muddy Waters

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Elders face the Lion of Self-Abuse

by Watchtower-Free in

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Muddy Waters

Esse, would you mind also posting paragraph 10 from that WT article referenced in the photo?

Paragraph 9, thank you. It reads so badly, such florid, purple prose! Just look at the adjectives and adverbs: "... hinder... vicious, famished... no compassion, no remorse, no pity... devour... lurking... succumb... tragic... immoral, greedy..."

And the climactic, alliterated statement: "... the roaring lion, revelling in his conquest."

Geez.

Such nice images for children in the audience.

Stupid Watchtower.

We should make an adverb/adjective game, using WT paragraphs. The most vicious, violent, angry words in a single paragraph wins.

I now wonder at the challenge to find the most loving, kind, soothing and comforting adjectives/adverbs in a single paragraph...?

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Finally posting and I'm FRUSTRATED!!!

by stephanie61092 in

okay, i'm about to engage in a major word vomit.

just giving you fair warning as your time may be better spent somewhere else.. so, i'm sitting on my lunch break, bawling my eyes out, and writing on this forum to people i don't know yet probably have a great deal in common with but at the same time, used to scare the daylights out of me.

for years, i would come across this forum and 'lurk' awhile if you will, or see things on youtube.

Muddy Waters

Stephanie....? How are you??

I only saw this post in a sidebar link, missed it the first time. I see no feedback or responses from you..... Are you okay???

Everything everyone said to you is also what I want to say to you. This is hard shit. But you do have many good things going for you -- though I know it can be difficult to focus on the good, on the strengths, on the potentials and opportunities....

Maybe try looking at it this way: A lot of people move away from family and friends when they come from other countries.... they have to cope with lonliness and meeting new friends, and perhaps they have no money and can't speak with their families for long intervals...

They are "alien residents" -- (you never completely let go of the JW crap, but you can turn it around and even laugh at it some days!) -- and just like those foreigners, you too have become "an alien resident" (or a person of the nations.... ugh...)

Anyway! Whatever the context, if you are the alien resident in a "new country"/ in this "world" -- the big bold bright incredible world, filled with opportunities & adventures and unknowns -- You HAVE A DEGREE!! Praise the gods, alleluia, thank the ether: YOU HAVE A DEGREE!!!

This wonderful amazing thing means that you have many doors of opportunity open for you!

I know nothing can replace or take the place of family, but in making good choices now and making best use of any and all opportunities, you can slowly build a life and good friends and colleagues.... And maybe one day, there will come a time when the blinders peel away from your family and they will come looking for you... And you will have made yourself, and them, proud.

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I have too much crap!! How to declutter/dehoard.....

by Muddy Waters in

some areas of our home are very nice, tidy, clean.

and other rooms are just junk and clutter and clothes and papers.... omg.

and now that we are getting older, we realize that we face a time of transition -- and this is hard to cope with too, as we believed the lie that we would never get old, etc.

Muddy Waters

Some areas of our home are very nice, tidy, clean. And other rooms are just junk and clutter and clothes and papers.... omg. How did this come to be?

And now that we are getting older, we realize that we face a time of transition -- and this is hard to cope with too, as we believed the lie that we would never get old, etc. Well, retirement years are facing us and we need to downsize and figure out how the hell we're going to live and survive, etc. No plans for the future (other than the "real life to come" - the stupid f**king paradise!!!). So, because we were idiots, we now have to face things we never thought we would face.

So this really sucks.

It doesn't help that I stuffed our home full of mostly useless crap. Gah! How does one purge their stuff?

It was easy to get rid of JW crap and clothes.... but gosh, is very difficult to get rid of other stuff and things. Ack!

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If all the world were JWs....

by Tornintwo in

jw
friends

in my former indoctrinated state, i used to yearn for a time when all the world would be jws.

but hang on minute, let's just think about what the world would be like if everyone was a jw,.

first of all, no higher education, so no medical advances, no scientific research, no modern day medicine, infectious disease rife, no doctors, no engineers, so no modern day comforts.

Muddy Waters

omg, Outlaw. That video is even worse in slow motion.... And omg... a world like that would be hell. A hell of the Stepford people.... To think I too, once longed for such a "paradise".

And if they did manage to have a worldwide Internet, it would be strictly controlled or only accessible by top "management".

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Jehovah's Witnesses 'ordered destruction' of notes which could have been used during child sexual abuse inquiry

by oppostate in

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovahs-witnesses-ordered-destruction-notes-10848053.

jehovah's witnesses 'ordered destruction' of notes which could have been used during child sexual abuse inquiry.

06:21, 7 feb 2016. by huw silk.

Muddy Waters

.... marking, thank you.

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What Are Your "Senior Moments" Like?

by compound complex in

jw
friends

dear friends:.

i imagine by now we old timers have adjusted to the fact that we are getting older and, one day, will make our exit.

are your "senior moments" ever a cause for worry to you?

Muddy Waters

omg, I am glad I am not the only on who does these things -- I am becoming so forgetful sometimes, and my energy depletes so quickly. Having the little grandkiddies over for even a couple hours leaves me so exhausted. Love them like crazy and marvel at their non-stop energy and enthusiastic embracing of life. They are like little human machines, all wound up and I feel like I am winding down....

Lately, one of my fears is: if, for some reason I become demented, I regress back to my JW brain!! That thought scares the heck outta me!

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If all the world were JWs....

by Tornintwo in

jw
friends

in my former indoctrinated state, i used to yearn for a time when all the world would be jws.

but hang on minute, let's just think about what the world would be like if everyone was a jw,.

first of all, no higher education, so no medical advances, no scientific research, no modern day medicine, infectious disease rife, no doctors, no engineers, so no modern day comforts.

Muddy Waters

There would be no great "worldly" literature, music, or art.

All education would be "theocratic", as defined by the WT society.

There would be no allowing of any personalizing of our work or accomplishments -- it would all be kept anonymous. And any results of our work and accomplishments must all be focused toward Jehovah and his kingdom. The JW world would behave and look like a giant altar to an incredibly egotistical God....

Any dissenters would be promptly executed.

To the making of many books there would be no end....

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Garlic, bread, and vampires....

by Muddy Waters in

.... being a little facetious today.... :).

the february 2016 broadcast has got me thinking.

crosses are bad, they make jehovah sad, they are terrible, evil, frightening things to most jws.

Muddy Waters

Haha, too funny, Orphan Crow & Vidiot!

I have fallen in love with this analogy, lol, so was hoping to get more responses to this thread (which is to me, an incredibly insightful, apt and amazing comparison, lol) especially after the ridiculous Feb 2016 broadcast and their seeming bias against garlic.

;)

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Do You Remember The First Time You Looked At "Apostate" Material?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i was always fascinated by it.

as a kid, i used to go to the local library and secretly read books by so called apostates.

later, i would sneak into christian book stores and quickly buy a book or two.

Muddy Waters

I remember, many years ago, trembling with dread, and looking over my shoulder for demons, looking at apostate material. However, this stuff did nothing for me, only confirmed that I had the "truth".

Why? What was 'wrong' with that particular apostate literature? This "apostate" stuff was all religious -- like why the trinity was true, or that there was a real place of hellfire for sinners, that we did have a soul that lived on forever (in heaven or hell, a literal hell!) Ugh. It did nothing for me. And when I would flip to the back of the book, to see what truth or religion they would "recommend", it was all the same: confess, repent, give yourself to Jesus, blah blah blah and then find a church of your choice.

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The "good" apostate stuff tells the truth about the organization and its leaders.

...

It reveals the shenanigans, the politicking, the grievances, the rivalries, the lies, the corruption, the deviousness, the utter lack of love and harmony driving this manmade religious beast.

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"Apostate" information reveals:

- double standards,

- cover ups,

- alliances with the United Nations,

- non-compliance with child sexual abuse laws --

- court cases and trial transcripts of child sexual abuse cases and other abuse cases, such as rape, domestic violence; and just how much of this is hidden in the files of branch offices

- Bethel stories (lots of accounts on freeminds.com - thank you, Randy!!)

- GB member accounts firsthand ("Crisis of Conscience"! - Thank you, bless you, dear Ray Franz!!),

- other studies ("The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witnesses"),

- books that highlight other cults and mind control and manipulation ("Combattiing Cult Mind Control")

These are the books and accounts that shake the foundations, that rattle the timbers, that start the quaking and crumbling of the fragile tower.... The tower that "watches" but sees nothing except itself.....

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Garlic, bread, and vampires....

by Muddy Waters in

.... being a little facetious today.... :).

the february 2016 broadcast has got me thinking.

crosses are bad, they make jehovah sad, they are terrible, evil, frightening things to most jws.

Muddy Waters

Ha! Good one, stuck!